The Debate that Isn’t a Debate…

Last week I had three good friends over for lunch. We spent the first half of our visit in my kitchen, cooking and discussing food. We spent the second half of our visit sitting around my living room with vaccine books. The vaccine books were being skimmed through and referred to, in a very similar way to how I once sat around with friends skimming through People Magazine and discussing why Brad Pitt left Jennifer Anniston.

I realized that my friendships have evolved from worthless conversation based on frivolous distractions, to worthy conversation based on awareness and a desire to be educated.

When you become aware, you know better.
When you know better, you make educated choices.

The best part about this day with my friends,
is that we are all on different journeys when it comes to vaccines.
One friend has all three of her children up to date on their shots.
Another friend has her child on a delayed schedule that is not up to date.
And the other friend has three children who have never received vaccines.

None of that matters.

See vaccine discussion does not have to be about who is right or wrong.
It’s not about a good decision vs. a bad decision.
It’s not about who is “pro-vaccine” and who is “anti-vaccine”.
All of these ways to describe the vaccine debate bug me. It is not a debate.

When you are discussing facts and truth, there is nothing to debate.

I’m certainly not anti-vaccine. I’m pro-safety & pro-effectiveness.

You want to discuss vaccine safety:
There is no denying the fact that our government has a Vaccine Injury Compensation Trust Fund that has already awarded over 2 BILLION dollars to vaccine damaged children. Vaccines are not always safe.
There is nothing left to debate.

You want to discuss vaccine effectiveness:
There is no denying the fact that whooping cough and measles outbreaks continue to occur in the vaccinated. Vaccines do not always work.
There is nothing left to debate.

You want to discuss vaccine doses:
There is no denying the fact that vaccine boosters are continually being added. Originally a child received 4 doses of 4 vaccines total. Today a child receives 49 doses of 14 vaccines. There is nothing left to debate.

You want to discuss vaccine ingredients:
There is no denying the fact that vaccines are made with aborted fetuses. Injecting human DNA into the bloodstream of another human.
There is nothing left to debate.

You want to discuss vaccines as a product:
There is no denying the fact that the vaccine package insert warns:
“Adverse events reported during post-approval use of Tripedia (DtaP) vaccine include SIDS and Autism. Events were included in this list because of the seriousness or frequency of reporting”. The vaccine package insert warns of these things, among many others.
There is nothing left to debate.

Regardless of whether a person chooses to vaccinate or not,
truth and facts should be discussed without turning into a debate.

My friends and I were able to discuss these facts without it even remotely looking like a debate. There was no tension. It was not an uncomfortable conversation. No-one felt judged or attacked.

Our discussion was not about personal decisions.
It was just a group of friends discussing a topic based on facts and research.
We all have a common desire and that is to be better educated on the topic.

Why does a discussion seem to always turn into a debate?
Here’s the problem (and I wish I could have figured this out sooner)
Thank-you Cynthia Cournoyer

“Philosophy and science differ in many respects. For example, science has attained definite and tested knowledge of many matters and has thus resolved disagreement about those matters. Philosophy has not. As a result, controversy has always been characteristic of philosophy”.
–The World Book Encyclopedia- 1988

WOW! There it is…

Vaccines are NOT science based medicine.

According to Cynthia Cournoyer, in her book What About Immunizations? Exposing the Vaccine Philosophy, she writes:

“The vaccine philosophy supports the conclusion that vaccines are always safe and effective and the benefits outweigh the risks. Whether a person’s beliefs support vaccination or not, the decision is based on a series of beliefs dwelling more in the world of controversy and philosophy, than in pure science”.

You can’t say the word vaccines without being met with CONTROVERSY.
Why? Because vaccines are a philosophy.
They have nothing to do with medicine or science or safety or health.
They are a belief system.

You either believe in them or you don’t. And whatever you believe.
You get to choose.

See, I learned the hard way. I lost a good friend.

I went back and forth with a friend for 3 years over this topic. She engaged me, asked questions, and thanked me for books. She wavered back and forth for years. Confusion. Fear. Delayed Schedules. Alternate Schedules. Saying no. Saying yes. Not believing. Believing. She took me along the journey with her. It was exhausting to say the least. In the end, she discarded of me. Why? We were battling a belief system.

I will never again argue with anyone over a belief system. I refuse.

I’ll sit down with any doctor, vaccine manufacturer, government or health official and we can discuss vaccine science, studies, truth, logic, research, & facts.
But I will not engage in a debate over a belief system.
Not worth it.

If someone has truly done their diligent research (apart from CDC ghost-written research, the American Academy of Pediatrics, Paul Offit, and any person or organization that has financial ties to the vaccine industry) and has come to the conclusion that vaccines do what they promise (to be safe & effective), then that is a belief and a personal choice. Let them be.

It was such an Aha! moment for me. When I finally realized that the vaccine debate is not about health or safety or medicine or science. Otherwise the debate would be over. The debate is about a philosophy and a belief system.
It finally hit me. I will never win a debate over a belief system.

When people believe in something,
they will fight like crazy to defend their decision.

Stay away. Trust me.

Here’s what I have learned. Mothers have a desire to protect their children and keep them safe from harm. We want to believe that we have made the best possible choices for our children. And we do not want anyone challenging our choices or making us feel like we have not made the best choice.

Why were me & my friends able to discuss vaccines at my house last week? We were able to see beyond our own personal decisions. We see the bigger picture. And we all have one thing in common: We have a desire to be EDUCATED.

A study done by researchers from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control showed that children who hadn’t received any shots at all tended to come from educated families who had “parents who expressed concerns regarding the safety of vaccines and indicated that medical doctors have little influence over vaccination decisions for their children,” said the study, published in the journal of Pediatrics.

Of course Paul Offit had a comment on this study:
“The surprising part is that someone who would be better educated
would be less likely to get the vaccine,” he said.

Why is that surprising Mr. Offit?

The study ends saying: “It’s an excellent example of how more education and awareness translates to better health. Parents are gradually waking up to the dangers of vaccines. Those who have a university education and a well paid job, are in a better position to research vaccinations and know their rights. Education is power and they and those most invested in health and research are most likely to avoid vaccinations at all costs, a trend that is welcome and timely for future generations”.  -Dr. Mihalovicis a Naturopathic Doctor who specializes in vaccine research.

Let’s read that last sentence again:
“Education is power and they and those most invested in health and research are most likely to avoid vaccinations at all costs, a trend that is welcome and timely for future generations”.

Education is power.  Invest in health and research. And go find some friends you can discuss this with. Don’t debate a belief system. Stick to the facts.

 A special thanks to my friends, who last week gave me a breath of fresh air…
and encouragement to keep fighting for truth!

*For the full article on the studies showing that those more educated are less likely to vaccinate:

*You can learn about the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Trust Fund at

*You can read the published studies about whooping cough and measles outbreaks in the vaccinated, in the book Vaccine Safety Manual.
“Vaccinated individuals make up over 70% of all cases of whooping cough” Wow!

*For information on vaccine package inserts.
They can also be found on FDA government websites. This should be required reading and given to every parent before they vaccinate. Isn’t that what informed consent really is? Here is the link to the DTaP vaccine package insert that I quoted above.…/UCM101580.pdf

*For information on ingredients in vaccines.
How many vaccines today contain human diploid cells from aborted fetal tissue? Why is it ok that vaccines are made with formaldehyde, a known carcinogen? Why do vaccines contain polysorbate 80, which causes infertility? If what your child eats is important to you, make sure you also know what is being injected into them.

*For information on boosters and why there are now 49 doses of 14 vaccines before the age of 6. Remember Grandma, 50 years ago only had 4 doses of 4 vaccines.

*For information on the 8 questions every mother should ask before they vaccinate:

P.S. There was a time when my friends gave me a year worth subscription to People magazine for my b-day present. I loved it. There are some days, when I wish I could go back to that time. I could bury my head in the sand. Ignorance was such bliss. People magazine was so much more fun to read than the Vaccine Epidemic. But for now, I will continue to follow this God-given passion, with a desire to truly educate and empower others. And hopefully along the way, I won’t destroy anymore friendships.

7 thoughts on “The Debate that Isn’t a Debate…

  1. This is exactly the way I’ve been thinking lately, and it is so encouraging to read your post with studies and sources quoted!


    1. Gosh so many books I recommend. Here are some of my favorite:

      1. International Medical Council on Vaccination: The International Medical Council on Vaccination is an association of medical doctors, registered nurses and other qualified medical professionals whose purpose is to counter the messages asserted by pharmaceutical companies, the government and medical agencies that vaccines are safe, effective and harmless. Our conclusions have been reached individually by each member of the Council, after thousands of hours of personal research, study and observation. – See more at:

      2. Dr. Tenpenny on vaccines. She is one of the most outspoken physicians on vaccines. Her resources are endless. One of my favorites is her truth about flu shot article.

      3. Vaccine Epidemic is a great book. Released last year. Featuring more than twenty-five experts from the fields of ethics, law, science, medicine, business, and history, Vaccine Epidemic urgently calls for reform. It is the essential handbook for the vaccination choice movement and required reading for all people contemplating vaccination for themselves and their children.

      4. Vaccine Illusion. Newly release by a Harvard PhD immunologist. I love her forward: “I never imagined myself in this position, least so in the very beginning of my Ph.D. research training in immunology. In fact, at that time, I was very enthusiastic about the concept of vaccination, just like any typical immunologist. However, after years of doing research in immunology, observing scientific activities of my superiors, and analyzing vaccine issues, I realized that vaccination is one of the most deceptive inventions the science could ever convince the world to accept”

      5. National Vaccine Information Center.

      6. VAERS. National Vaccine Information Center
      Its our own governments database on vaccine injury. Our government has already awarded over $2 BILLION dollars to vaccine injured children, paid out in vaccine court. Did you know there was vaccine court? Only 1% of actually cases even make it there.

      7. The actual vaccine package inserts. Take the DTaP vaccine. The package insert says: “Adverse events reported during post-approval use of Tripedia vaccine include idiopathic thrombocytopenic purpura, SIDS, anaphylactic reaction, cellulitis, autism, convulsion/grand mal convulsion, encephalopathy, hypotonia, neuropathy, somnolence and apnea. Events were included in this list because of the seriousness or frequency of reporting”

      8. This is one of my favorite interviews with a board certified pediatrician.

      9. The book Vaccine Safety Manual, has an amazing forward written by world renown brain surgeon Dr. Russell Blaylock. His forward alone on what vaccines do is amazing. It has over 2,000 publishes studies in it.

      10. The Thinking Moms Revolution Book


      1. Thank you so much for your reply! I only own the Vaccine Safety Manual and a couple of other older books my mother-in-law gave to me. My three kids (2, 4, 6) are not vaccinated and I feel like the bashing is getting worse and worse. I KNOW what I believe but I should have some resources readily available to answer questions/accusations when they come.. and they’re coming. Recently got called a murderer for not vaccinating my kids, and got told to keep them out of the public. Awful. Anyway, thank you for this blog and all of the great information!


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